2019 Raptor SuperCrew, 96,300 miles, bought it new and it is my only vehicle, so it does I-64 into Richmond five days a week and the Outer Banks a few weekends a year. it has been perfect. this spring it started a rattle on cold start, two maybe three seconds of what sounds like a diesel idling badly, then it goes away. only the first start of the day, only when it has sat overnight. warm starts are silent. no check engine light.
everything i read says cam phasers. what i cannot figure out is whether this is a fix it now thing or a live with it for a year thing, and whether there is any kind of extended coverage on a 2019 at this mileage. i already put the VIN into the recall search on nhtsa.gov, there is nothing open on it, but there are a lot of owner complaints listed that sound exactly like mine.
oil is Motorcraft 5W-30 every 5,000 since new, receipts in a folder. i am not the guy who skipped oil changes.
Ford tech, El Paso. i do a couple of these a month. you described it perfectly, that is the phasers not being locked when the engine starts with no oil pressure, so they flop around for a second until pressure comes up. the 3.5 in the 2017 to 2020 trucks is known for it.
is it fix it now. not tomorrow, but do not put it off a year either. the rattle by itself is noise. what happens if you ignore it long enough is the chain stretches and you start getting cam correlation codes, and then it is a bigger job. at 96k i would plan on it this year.
coverage. there was extended coverage on some of these but it was by build date and mileage and a 2019 at 96k is almost certainly outside it. ask the dealer to run the VIN anyway, it costs you nothing. and ask about goodwill if you have the service history, sometimes a regional rep will split it. sometimes.
my brother in law had this on a 2018 Expedition with the same engine. ignored it for about 15,000 miles and it threw a P0016 on the way to Galveston. dealer did phasers and chains and he paid a little over four grand. so marisol is right, it does not get cheaper by waiting.
question for marisol since i have the gen 2 ZR2 and not a Ford but i am curious. does oil change interval actually matter for this, or is it a design thing that happens anyway? he did 5k changes on Motorcraft and still got it. kind of scary for the people doing 10k on whatever the quick lube has.
quotes are in. Ford dealer in Mechanicsville wanted 4,280 for both phasers, the VCT solenoids, chains, guides and tensioners. no goodwill, they asked the rep and he said the mileage was too high. independent shop off Broad Street that does a lot of EcoBoost work quoted 3,100 using Ford parts, not aftermarket, and they would show me the old parts. i am leaning independent. the dealer warranty on the repair is 2 years and the independent is 12 months, which is the one thing making me think.
tire_size_debate wrotedoes oil change interval actually matter for this, or is it a design thing that happens anyway?
both. clean oil at the right viscosity helps the phasers lock, so short intervals buy you time. but the phaser design on that generation was the problem and plenty of well maintained trucks still got it. the later ones got updated parts.
daily, the independent is fine if they are using Ford parts with the current part numbers. ask them to write the part numbers on the invoice. and while the front of the engine is apart have them do the spark plugs, the labor overlaps and you are due anyway at that mileage on a twin turbo. that is the only add on i would say yes to.
done. independent shop, 3,260 with plugs, Ford part numbers written on the invoice like you said, and they handed me the old phasers in a box. one of them had visible wear on the lock pin, which made me feel better about spending the money. three days without the truck, drove my wife's Accord to work and felt every expansion joint on 64.
first cold start this morning after sitting all night. nothing. just the normal EcoBoost whir. thanks all.
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